Although I loved Horizon, it definitely felt like the ambition in scope far outweighed the reality.
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Regarding Series X next gen only games, is it First Party only cross gen games or is there a mandate that third party can't make a next gen only game?
I don't know why this discussion insists on being focussed on launch, when MS are saying they plan to support legacy consoles for up to two years.
Up to 2 years is the timeframe MS themselves have set. There's absolutely every likelihood that grandiose new game concepts will appear within the first two years of a new platform. However, by placing these hard limitations on MS's own first parties, they are pretty much guaranteeing their devs won't be the ones originating these exciting new concepts that are engendered by the ability to exclusively take advantage of next-gen console tech..
3 years is the average period for games development. 4 for bigger games. That's pretty reasonable, and given the micro architectural similarities in hardware between this new and current-gen (which itself is a first in the console space), you HAVE to take credit for the fact that game devs will be able to retain all their engine code, tool chains and asset production workflows this gen transition.
So in general, this transition will be one of the easiest, meaning devs making launch games will spend less time fighting with the SDK trying to get stuff to run and more time iterating on ideas to tighten and polish their game ready for launch.
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I don't think MS is in a position to be making that decision for 3rd party devs
Even if you compare PS2/og xbox game to PS4/xb1 game same would apply. How is Witcher working on Switch?
GTA V running on Intel HD 2000 a 110Gflop GPU (0.11Tf)
When will we see next gen MP only? I have more of a problem with that. I'm thinking they'll hang around for a while this gen. That might be a little anti consumer ( I'm not sure anymore). I want to see a new battlefield with tons of destruction. BF4 was pretty broken at launch but I still think that game was an awesome launch title. Adding a lot more players felt next gen at the time. As a console player at least
I'm sorry if I'm mistaken but I thought MS' decision to release crossgen games for a while juxtaposed with Sony's decision not to was part of the context.
Yes, supporting old gen means deciding not to do something's that are possible in the new gen. But that's only "holding back" if those impossible things would have materialized otherwise. Most developers are going to be more conservative with their first outing... largely due to time constraints and the overhaul needed to support radical ideas.
I'm seeing people say that if Halo Infinite wasn't an xbox one game, it would arrive at launch as an open world, with fully destructible environments, the ability to fly into outer space at will, and feature battles with hundreds of enemy AI and friends enemies piloting all sorts of vehicles. In reality, it probably would have been beautiful, yet much less radical departure from the design principles that the series is famous. Thats not to say 343 wouldn't have found novel use for thr hardware. Theres just no way a game that ambitious would have been planned for launch.
And I think the same will generally ne true for next gen exclusives at launch too.
In order to sell a new console? It's not exactly unreasonable. I didn't buy a Switch at launch because I could play Breath of the Wild on my Wii U and there weren't other announced titles I was excited about. That doesn't make Breath of the Wild any less amazing, it just didn't sell me on a Switch.
What about first party games from third party developers like Ryse and Sunset Overdrive?
Assuming MS's plans are true (no next gen games until 2022 at the latest), it begs the question, what if the first party devs simply arent ready for a 2020 launch?
its safe to assume that none of these studios are making cross gen games. they might release remasters or patches for xsx versions, but its safe to expect no new cross gen or next gen titles from them until 2022.
that leaves
i think when at their xbox meeting, they will show off halo, initiative new ip, forza, state of decay 3 and rare's new game. pretty much an even split between cross gen and next gen.
sony will likely show off horizon 2, gt7, bluepoint's remake, spiderman and maybe a gow tease. i think gt7 is cross gen and bluepoint's game WAS cross gen since they were hiring people for a ps4 title. but making horizon and bluepoint's next gen is probably the only reason why they will have more next gen games at launch.
regardless, its pretty evident that both first party studios need to build new studios and more teams within each studio because if they cant get next gen only games out in 3 years they we are going to have some pretty rough years next gen. i dont see how spiderman and gow release in 2021 after just three years in dev. tlou3, ghosts 2, death stranding 2 and ghosts 2 are also likely 2023 titles at best. sony too needs a lot more teams to bridge the gap.
- Coalition just shipped a game a few months ago. they wont have any games ready at launch.
- obsidan shipped a game two months ago. they wont have any games ready at launch.
- ninja theory is coming out with a game next year. they wont have any games ready at launch.
- playground games shipped forza horizon 4 last year. 2 years is probably not enough for a fable reboot.
its safe to assume that none of these studios are making cross gen games. they might release remasters or patches for xsx versions, but its safe to expect no new cross gen or next gen titles from them until 2022.
that leaves
- turn 10- racing game. i can see them getting away with a cross gen title. the genre has stagnated anyway. same could be true for polyphony digital. next gt might be cross gen.
- state of decay devs - last released a game in may 2018. 2.5 years is probably too soon to get a game ready for launch. holiday 2021 would give them 3.5 years. i highly doubt their next game is a cross gen title.
- rare - last release march 2018. they could have a smaller banjo or ratchet style game ready for release. but if they are working on an AAA game i highly doubt its cross gen since it wont release by the end of 2021 anyway.
- the initiative - this new studio is the only candidate that makes sense to be making a cross gen game. probably started dev in 2017, too early for next gen. ms likely didnt finalize their plans until 2018 when they first announced their next gen plans. maybe they have a launch and launch window game along with halo infinite.
i think when at their xbox meeting, they will show off halo, initiative new ip, forza, state of decay 3 and rare's new game. pretty much an even split between cross gen and next gen.
sony will likely show off horizon 2, gt7, bluepoint's remake, spiderman and maybe a gow tease. i think gt7 is cross gen and bluepoint's game WAS cross gen since they were hiring people for a ps4 title. but making horizon and bluepoint's next gen is probably the only reason why they will have more next gen games at launch.
regardless, its pretty evident that both first party studios need to build new studios and more teams within each studio because if they cant get next gen only games out in 3 years they we are going to have some pretty rough years next gen. i dont see how spiderman and gow release in 2021 after just three years in dev. tlou3, ghosts 2, death stranding 2 and ghosts 2 are also likely 2023 titles at best. sony too needs a lot more teams to bridge the gap.
One thing I've been curious about lately is how raytracing is going to be implemented in a lot of games. I know reflections are the most likely candidate (and probably will be a key focus for racing games and early gen games). I hope GI is utilized more often since I think it has a massive visual impact. Either that or combining something like SVOGI with RT shadows and AO for some serious depth and consistency in lighting. It's very cool to think about the sheer variety of ways it can be used. Hell, I could even see some games utilizing it differently on a per scene basis depending on what makes the biggest difference. Excited to see how it pans out.
This thread grew by a bunch of pages since I last looked. What are the highlights from this weekend?
I think I'm going to roll with the actual devs of the game (frankie) who have said that the xbox one isn't holding the vision they set out for the game over DF and you.
I'm sure others will comment. It's basically talk about next-gen games (built from ground up) exclusives not being available at launch for the Series X. 1-2 years before we see anything like that. We'll have cross-gen games in the interim.
There's the guess work of the PS Meeting. Supposedly an image of the next Assassin's Creed game was leaked via 4chan and that it will be unveiled at the Meeting. Feb. 12th is the rumored date so far.
The witcher doesn't require a SSD to run does it? It was also made to run on tablet grade cpu's.
You posting vids of people making games run on potatoes isn't really a good example either. You are just scaling down textures and resolution, foliage etc until it can run on shitty hardware but again that is all visual. Surface level.
Nothing comparable to a game designed around an ssd for example.
A warm-up before Lockhart.
Booty has repeated something he said more vaguely weeks ago about Xbox studios supporting the current gen, this time by detailing that the Serie X won't have exclusives coming from them during a year or two.
It's complete insanity. Goal posts keep getting moved aswell. I think it's time for me to hit the hay.
Interesting, thanks. I was aware of Series X exclusive next-gen games being 1-2 years away, but not the rumored Feb 12th date for PlayStation Meeting.
The vision they had all along was with the Xbox one in mind!
XsX version will be a far better looking vision than the Xbox one but not the same as if they would not have to deal with the slow HDD and CPU among all the other outdated tech.
I don't think this gen was boring because of any design issues, I just don't think I liked the games because they were medicore.
Having a potential "next gen" bump isn't going to suddenly make these games better.
They did, it wasn't an action segment, but gave us a good idea of asset and effect complexity. Didn't look next-gen.
I think they eventually will but I just don't think early gen games ever take full advantage of the new hardware anyways. That's why cross gen happens for the first year or so on new hardware because there's really no need not to put them on older consoles at first.
They have several high end models that don't have 2.1.
exactly
that escalated quickly
Can you please provide an example of what a next gen game is supposed to look like if Halo Infinite doesn't look like a next gen game.
Getting rid of an xbox one version wouldn't suddenly change the vision that they had for the game 5 years ago, game development isn't completed overnight. They will take advantage of the sds/RT cores/VRS 2.0 etc in wayys that fit the vision they built the last 5-6 years
Unfortunately there is a defense force for everything and it's almost pointless discussing it with certain members. Hopefully we get some news soon so we can move on. Maybe a PSM date will be the catalyst we need.
Is he vanity searching PS5? That account has very few followers.
Ha ha, who can at this point? The hype is through the roof!!
Very interested to see what games will get announced both from first party and also third party exclusives. Those who think it will be a soft launch are in for a surprise, I feel
Please point to the people saying the Jaguars cores should be used for next gen gaming, you're painting a very broad dangerous brush with this passive aggressive post. I haven't seen one person in here stating that.
The post Asad is replying to looks like a reply to another of his posts.
1-2 years is November 2021 at the latest. The interview was done in November at X019.
I don't need to provide an example. Halo looked great, but firmly in the realm of high-tier current-gen. It's targeting 4k60 on XSX so that's to be expected.
If this is about Halo Infinite, that game has been in development since 2015 where the vision was already set out for Xbox one not Series X.
By the way, that Assassins Creed rumor is bunk, according to ZhugeEX . https://www.resetera.com/threads/po...ns-creed-ragnarok-leaked.164331/post-28172559
There are plenty acting like scaling will solve everything and plenty that are acting like current gen wont hold back crossgen games.
This is pretty much the same as saying that the Jaguar Cpu's are not a problem.
Yep. The number of games that will be affected by this seems pretty low given where MS's studios are in their development cycles. Also, I think it is way too early for The Initiative's game. I believe the studio formed in early 2018 and is still staffing up.
They had replied to his tweet about what i assume is his kid playing astrobot
Yes it is which is why cancelling the xbox one version wouldn't matter at this point like I stated above.
I literally haven't seen one person advocating for ms to start funding crossgen games, please point these post out.
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