Sorry if I missed it, but why does DRAM pricing affect the camera???
Probably because the camera has some DRAM in it.
Sorry if I missed it, but why does DRAM pricing affect the camera???
Sorry if I missed it, but why does DRAM pricing affect the camera???
He's probably talking about third-party titles and not exclusives
I'm I the only one who doesn't care about TF? I just want the PS5 to have mind blowing exclusive games that look better than PS4 games. I'm easy to please
I just don't want one console maker to be fumbling every generation.I really can't say what they're doing right now. This long a silence doesn't feel right (for Sony) and clearly everyone including journalists and analysts are starting to grumble about it now.
That some were so quick to say but Matt Booty is funny, lol.you read that part wrong. it was referring to third party titles.
If the XSX is a bit more expensive, it makes sense to be more powerful. That doesn't mean that the gap is too significant, since it's exaggerated here. They will surely be close if the production cost is similar. And if not, it's because they are targeting different potential customers.
Everyone who thinks that Sony or MS are doomed are fanboys who have trouble seeing reality.
Sorry if I missed it, but why does DRAM pricing affect the camera???
Their CMOS image sensor has DRAM stacked onto it.Sorry if I missed it, but why does DRAM pricing affect the camera???
Nothing revealed recently has done anything to strengthen it as final configuration. Making a general statement like this without supporting evidence just makes you look like you have an agenda.
if github is the direction we can expect retail ps5 to be based on it would predict a lower BOM (smaller wafer) and special cooling (2.0 clocks). this latest article is confirmation of NOTHING, but could support the 36/40 CU 2.0 speed demon. (disclaimer, not the only "conclusion" that could be supported i'm sure)
I just don't want one console maker to be fumbling every generation.
Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo.
Why can't they for once all 3 deliver without some fuckups?
That would be something new and refreshing^^
Sure it's a bit premature, we can't say that about Sony yet with certainty. But so far the launch is at least super unsuaual.
Ah thanks. I thought it was saying that the system DRAM would be affected - didn't know that the camera itself has DRAMWhen the BOM increases to keep it under control one of the options is to reduce or eliminate extraneous non-critical features or peripherals.
PS4 and XB1 sales are tanking big time, next gen consoles can't arrive soon enough:
When the BOM increases to keep it under control one of the options is to reduce or eliminate extraneous non-critical features or peripherals.
It's still, absent of any other factors or knowledge, a strange approach.
I'm not disputing the Github stuff, it just seems a strange approach to go small and fast rather than wide and slow. Any savings you make per wafer using a smaller APU essentially get lost by the clock tolerance (obviously only Amd and Sony will know the exact trade off there and it's unlikely to be a 1:1 thing so potentially it's a saving but if you're having to go into exotic cooling to get it in tolerance it really can't be much of a saving)
I used the word " in my opinion" because its clearly my opinion and not a general statement. Not sure why you're so triggered over me having an opinion on something. The anger over people having opinions on factual evidence is weird.Nothing revealed recently has done anything to strengthen it as final configuration. Making a general statement like this without supporting evidence just makes you look like you have an agenda.
He was. He stated exactly this in his tweets today.He wrote that initial $460-$520 prediction range in December, so I don't think that was taking into account the increased prices.
I can't believe phones have gotten up to $1,300 usd, and people buy them every year or every two years, but refuse to buy a console that will last at least 7 years for more than 500 usd!
This is pathetic and it just hurts the industry. The console they could make if they could sell you a console at 999.
People really have double standards
This has nothing to do with peripherals. It's their DSLR Alpha camera.
It's amazing to see people think that camera is PS5 related.
Also, we had no news regarding the PS4/One at this point back then. Sony has been talking about the PS5 for a year now and MS has even showed the console.
Because the allusion of consensus without evidence is a deception tactic. Of course the statement is your opinion. This thread is almost exclusively opinions. Also, suggesting people pointing out your bullshit are being "triggered" is just gaslighting.I used the word " in my opinion" because its clearly my opinion and not a general statement. Not sure why you're so triggered over me having an opinion on something. The anger over people having opinions on factual evidence is weird.
Um no you have some weird persecution complex going on, literally I posted my opinion on the matter you're fine to have your very own in the speculation thread. I didn't quote @ or direct my comment towards anyone.Because the allusion of consensus without evidence is a deception tactic.
I'd happily pay $1,000 for a console if its power was relative to its cost. However most people see their phone as a utility (or many utilities) and only a minority (maybe people like us) value our consoles in such a way. Also I'd imagine the mark-up on phones is pretty significant and it is all tied into the contract model, the fact that a Samsung phone retails for nearly double in the EU/US than in some Asian countries must mean they are simply scalping tjose willing to pay, something that I doubt you would want to be the case for consoles.I can't believe phones have gotten up to $1,300 usd, and people buy them every year or every two years, but refuse to buy a console that will last at least 7 years for more than 500 usd!
This is pathetic and it just hurts the industry. The console they could make if they could sell you a console at 999.
People really have double standards
Sorry I'm glancing through the thread updates and got a bit confused
I can't believe phones have gotten up to $1,300 usd, and people buy them every year or every two years, but refuse to buy a console that will last at least 7 years for more than 500 usd!
This is pathetic and it just hurts the industry. The console they could make if they could sell you a console at 999.
People really have double standards
Sure, but when are those games going to be released?
Sony didn't talk about any next gen games yet at all.
They won't be at E3. So they reveal launch exclusives 3 months before the console launch?
We don't even have rumors about Ps5 exclusive games. The console will launch in 9 months.
Link to Japanese article?There was some Japanese article posted on the other site saying that the github leak was the PS5 chip stress tested and with 12 CUs disabled (errors in the chip)
I'm I the only one who doesn't care about TF? I just want the PS5 to have mind blowing exclusive games that look better than PS4 games. I'm easy to please
In the PRO, One X, and switch mid gen we have have minimal fuck ups. This bodes well. I'm confident in all 3 console makers. I look forward to all these platforms this time around. All are aiming to delight in their own ways. It's going to be ok. It's all going to be OK. They got this!I just don't want one console maker to be fumbling every generation.
Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo.
Why can't they for once all 3 deliver without some fuckups?
That would be something new and refreshing^^
Sure it's a bit premature, we can't say that about Sony yet with certainty. But so far the launch is at least super unsuaual.
Your entire post seems very reasonable to me.The Series X having more compute units and more RAM chips would lead to a higher BOM.
The GPU comparison would be way too close to call, as the Series X would only need to overclock ~2% to have more TF. MS are also going for a 320 bit RAM bus so bandwidth would be higher than a 256 bit PS5.
Also reading Phil's multiple comments on FPS being more important, and the Windows Central article, Series X CPU would be clocked at ~3.6Ghz. PS5 is looking to have a 3.2Ghz CPU.
It could be a case where MS were willing to sell Series X at $499, so they went and got more CU's, over clocked the CPU, and used mixed density RAM to hit higher bandwidth.
Sony wanted to sell at $399, so they go for less CU's, but with the switch up being that they'll eat a few dollars in cooling to hit a certain TF target. Double the Xbox One X was probably a benchmark Sony wanted to hit back in 2016 for 2020. They wouldn't up clock the CPU, and they go for 8 2GB RAM chips. They would eat a loss selling at $399, but they did the same for PS4.
The only negatives for MS in this case would be PS5's GPU being way too close to Series X and the potential for Sony having a faster SSD. Now, if PS5 has to get bumped up to $499 and Microsoft holds at $499 as to not hit $599 and are now competitive with PS5 in price, that works out very well for Xbox. They wouldn't have to worry about a $399 console outperforming their $499 console in any category.
I can't believe phones have gotten up to $1,300 usd, and people buy them every year or every two years, but refuse to buy a console that will last at least 7 years for more than 500 usd!
And here is the corresponding stats update (199 votes!)The roster has been updated!
Also, I'm seeing some thinly veiled console wars over the last 10 pages or so. Cut it out, mmkay? Let's keep this fun.
Just remember the wise words from Bill S. Preston, Esq. and Ted "Theodore" Logan
I can't believe phones have gotten up to $1,300 usd, and people buy them every year or every two years, but refuse to buy a console that will last at least 7 years for more than 500 usd!
This is pathetic and it just hurts the industry. The console they could make if they could sell you a console at 999.
People really have double standards
PS4 and XB1 sales are tanking big time, next gen consoles can't arrive soon enough:
I can't believe phones have gotten up to $1,300 usd, and people buy them every year or every two years, but refuse to buy a console that will last at least 7 years for more than 500 usd!
This is pathetic and it just hurts the industry. The console they could make if they could sell you a console at 999.
People really have double standards
if these consoles are tanking so bad why don't they just drop the price. kinda crazy the ps4 is as much as it is today
I don't think this was necessarily the wrong move. Subscription and network revenues are still strong. They're holding hardware sales back from where they could be by not adjusting MSRP in line with historical trends.Yeah they were on the 'super slims' by then which this gens consoles haven't had. Another reason going to late 2020 wasn't a good move as the much lower sales now show. I guess the Wired articles for PS5 from April 2019 haven't helped either.
if these consoles are tanking so bad why don't they just drop the price. kinda crazy the ps4 is as much as it is today
Sales are definitely down, but they're not abysmal. PS4 is the second best selling home console of all time, after all.