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Boogie2988 invited to the Game Awards (famous champion of 'both sides' in regards to white supremacy)

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Oct 25, 2017
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I might be throwing myself into the fire. But i'm taking a chance on 1 small topic seem to be throwing around in this thread.
It's seem that if I state, that the holocaust, while one of the most horrible thing to every happen in the last 100 years, actually had some benefits. I'm instantly branded a Nazi.


The medical improvement cause by this horrible event is some of the biggest foundation in the medical field, specially in cancer research. War time tend to speed all kind of advancement in all kind of fields no matter how horrible the methods are use. All in the attempt to get ''ahead'' of the enemy.
This 2004 article on The Guardian really explains what i'm trying to say : https://www.theguardian.com/news/2004/oct/14/thisweekssciencequestions.cancer
We can never forget to keep our humanity and ethics for the progress of science, unlike the nazi did.


But now back on Boogie, yeah's he's an idiot, homophobic asshole.
It's really not a good look to espouse the benefits of the holocaust, or any genocide.
 

TheModestGun

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Dec 5, 2017
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Upon retrospect and mounting evidence that Boogie really is quite fucked up. Yeah I get where you all are coming from. I was wrong.

There have been a few cases on Era where someone was deemed persona non grata and I personally felt it was way too harsh or hyperbolic, but in Boogies case, the dude is sick.

Dude needs some seriously help, and or to just kind of disappear out of the public eye.
 
Oct 26, 2017
206
London
I might be throwing myself into the fire. But i'm taking a chance on 1 small topic seem to be throwing around in this thread.
It's seem that if I state, that the holocaust, while one of the most horrible thing to every happen in the last 100 years, actually had some benefits. I'm instantly branded a Nazi.


The medical improvement cause by this horrible event is some of the biggest foundation in the medical field, specially in cancer research. War time tend to speed all kind of advancement in all kind of fields no matter how horrible the methods are use. All in the attempt to get ''ahead'' of the enemy.
This 2004 article on The Guardian really explains what i'm trying to say : https://www.theguardian.com/news/2004/oct/14/thisweekssciencequestions.cancer
We can never forget to keep our humanity and ethics for the progress of science, unlike the nazi did.


But now back on Boogie, yeah's he's an idiot, homophobic asshole.
Hanukkah Sameach, I guess...
 
Nov 17, 2017
12,079
Utah
I don't get some posts here. Why come in, say that Era is being toxic and evil and being a bully towards someone.

But then say, I don't really care about that person anyway. Or I don't know who he is despite there being tons of videos and tweets in this very thread.

I mean, why even come in and post then?
 
May 7, 2018
163
i just wish we could all ignore the politics in here, he might have said stupid things in the past but that's just his opinion and you know people have all sort of different opinions!
 
Oct 30, 2017
757
I might be throwing myself into the fire. But i'm taking a chance on 1 small topic seem to be throwing around in this thread.
It's seem that if I state, that the holocaust, while one of the most horrible thing to every happen in the last 100 years, actually had some benefits. I'm instantly branded a Nazi.


The medical improvement cause by this horrible event is some of the biggest foundation in the medical field, specially in cancer research. War time tend to speed all kind of advancement in all kind of fields no matter how horrible the methods are use. All in the attempt to get ''ahead'' of the enemy.
This 2004 article on The Guardian really explains what i'm trying to say : https://www.theguardian.com/news/2004/oct/14/thisweekssciencequestions.cancer


But now back on Boogie, yeah's he's an idiot, homophobic asshole.
It's not necessarily a controversial sentiment that a lot of modern medicine was built off the horrors of Mengele and the like. If that was the only shitty thing he ever said it could be read as him making a good point in a shitty way.

But it fits into a pattern of behavior wherein he's such a moral coward that he'll take the middle ground between a reasonable opinion and an indefensible one no matter what it is, so that's why it gets called out as yet another example of his idiocy.

Only place he's willing to take a stand is on fat shaming (because it directly affects him) and on video games.
 
Oct 27, 2017
399
Boogie's a mess of mental health and a man that spends way too much time alone and on a computer. He's out of touch, and he's said some horribly unconsidered things, but he's hardly a neo nazi.

Condemn him for what he said. I'm totally cool with that. What he said was ENTIRELY wrong.

Until he starts marching through Charlottesville with Tiki Torches and claiming that Jewish people are devilish conspirators to the genocide of the White Race, you can't really call him a Neo Nazi or even a white supremacist.

His Holocaust comments were incredibly uninformed and distasteful, but he didn't come across like he hated Jews, thought them inferior, or anything of the likes.

At the most, he's unstable, misinformed, mildly prejudiced, and selectively conservative. I dislike him, but I don't think that he's the devil of the internet, and calling him names hardly does anything to address the things that he's actually said -- it simply fires up his supporters and makes his opponents feel self-superior.

The internet, however, tends play up things like this because it's a den for virtue signalling. One cannot have a genuine conversation about prejudice and misconception if, any time one sees somebody that says something even a LITTLE bit out of line, his immediate reaction is "FUCK THAT GUY, HE'S A NAZI!" I commend the people that have actually gone out of their way to challenge the misconceptions in his arguments, and to discuss his behavior in a mature and thoughtful way.

His attendance at the game awards is a mild annoyance rather than some fundamental moral flaw with the show.

To be clear, I'm not defending him. Everything that he's being criticized for is entirely warranted. I simply feel that the shit-flinging and intensely over-emotional reactions are entirely unproductive to actually convincing anybody -- or even HIM -- that he's done or said something wrong.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,622
I don't really know though what could he say? "I apologize for not being aware of the messaging Boogie has put forth". Would anyone believe him? I just hope to see Keighley do better. As I earlier said, I was hoping to see some charity attached to TGA or even just highlighting and raising awareness. But with this, I assume the show won't touch on any of these issues. And honestly I'm not sure if all of the "advisory board" would be okay either with making the show in any way "political."
Heh yeah this gathers quite a lot more traffic than the OT =P
It needs to be political. If his entire goal is for gaming to get the prestige that film does, look to the hollywood award shows. Those people are bashing nazis, the administration, etc left and right. Racist homophobic gamers be damned
 
Dec 24, 2017
5,134
I might be throwing myself into the fire. But i'm taking a chance on 1 small topic seem to be throwing around in this thread.
It's seem that if I state, that the holocaust, while one of the most horrible thing to every happen in the last 100 years, actually had some benefits. I'm instantly branded a Nazi.


The medical improvement cause by this horrible event is some of the biggest foundation in the medical field, specially in cancer research. War time tend to speed all kind of advancement in all kind of fields no matter how horrible the methods are use. All in the attempt to get ''ahead'' of the enemy.
This 2004 article on The Guardian really explains what i'm trying to say : https://www.theguardian.com/news/2004/oct/14/thisweekssciencequestions.cancer
We can never forget to keep our humanity and ethics for the progress of science, unlike the nazi did.


But now back on Boogie, yeah's he's an idiot, homophobic asshole.
What the shit does this have to do with the thread, it just sounds like you wanted an excuse to post the Holocaust had "benefits".
 
Oct 27, 2017
449
So what you're saying is that "typical ERA outrage" around these issues is, as usual, absolutely correct. Good thing you're finally catching up!
No, not always, I've seen a lot of bans for the most ridiculous reasons, I mean, there's is a reason of why almost all the internet thinks that this place is toxic and the reason is not always that they're nazis or alt right, hell, I'm from Chile and all the gaming circles I know barely tolerate this place.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Geoff should comment. Or his actions will speak for him.
He won’t, otherwise this will be validated as a thing in news stories and then it will overshadow the event itself. Commenting would be the right thing to do but I also don’t expect him to sabotage his own event at the last minute.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Yeah also I would say that after reading extra insight in this thread I have shifted from "Boogie is an idiot" to "Boogie seems like he has had options to be better and chosen not to."

When I look at his life though, I can't feel hatred, it's just a sad sad depressing picture.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,223
My impression of Boogie is that he is clearly someone who has mental issues, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way. He clearly has some trauma in his past and he's clearly not 100% stable and it seems like he has good reason not to be. He's also someone that in his attempt to be at peace with everything in life (I'm sure partly to let go of darkness in his past) he has said some pretty ignorant things.

But all in all if him and Geoff are buds I don't see anything wrong with Geoff inviting him. He didn't commit some sort of crime did he? (I feel like someone's about to quote those and show me all the crimes he has committed, in which case I stand corrected....but if not....yeah.)
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,103
Brooklyn
Not that I watch the Game Awards, I know now that I shouldn't ever, and also not give a shit about it at all.

I don't get some posts here. Why come in, say that Era is being toxic and evil and being a bully towards someone.

But then say, I don't really care about that person anyway. Or I don't know who he is despite there being tons of videos and tweets in this very thread.

I mean, why even come in and post then?
Cause they're alt accounts and probably think they're "owning the libs".
 

gozu

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Oct 27, 2017
2,561
America
I thought Boogie was a low quality human being before entering this thread.

Now I realize he's very low quality.

I am too lazy to write down every single thing that is wrong with him, and it has been done before.

I am also disappointed in Barlog and Keighley for enabling that asshole. He should be shunned.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,957
I might be throwing myself into the fire. But i'm taking a chance on 1 small topic seem to be throwing around in this thread.
It's seem that if I state, that the holocaust, while one of the most horrible thing to every happen in the last 100 years, actually had some benefits. I'm instantly branded a Nazi.


The medical improvement cause by this horrible event is some of the biggest foundation in the medical field, specially in cancer research. War time tend to speed all kind of advancement in all kind of fields no matter how horrible the methods are use. All in the attempt to get ''ahead'' of the enemy.
This 2004 article on The Guardian really explains what i'm trying to say : https://www.theguardian.com/news/2004/oct/14/thisweekssciencequestions.cancer
We can never forget to keep our humanity and ethics for the progress of science, unlike the nazi did.


But now back on Boogie, yeah's he's an idiot, homophobic asshole.
THE HOLOCAUST HAD BENEFITS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

AND THAT'S A BINGO!
 
Oct 27, 2017
6,457
I don't really know though what could he say? "I apologize for not being aware of the messaging Boogie has put forth". Would anyone believe him? I just hope to see Keighley do better. As I earlier said, I was hoping to see some charity attached to TGA or even just highlighting and raising awareness. But with this, I assume the show won't touch on any of these issues. And honestly I'm not sure if all of the "advisory board" would be okay either with making the show in any way "political."
He wont and never will. Taking such a stand would be career suicide in this industry. There is backlash all the time for being progressive, and it's fucking mindblowing. Recently with Battlefield for Everyone or Nintendo removing a racist Game and Watch reference, just "giving in to those SJW cucks!" and the list keeps going. Geoff would be lambasted for it, even though it would be great for him to do, if he really wants the industry to change, mature and be as inclusive as he claims it is whenever he tries to give the same shitty sentimental bullshit speech each year, then he needs to be a figure for that change, even moreso if he wants to be the face of a night every year that celebrates the hobby and industry as a whole. Same with eSports, which is also being celebrated tonight, it's riddled with ignorance.

I think Geoff Keighley has a LOT of pull, more than people might think, and he could easily be a force for change. I hope he does. Prove us wrong.
 
Dec 24, 2017
5,134
Until he starts marching through Charlottesville with Tiki Torches and claiming that Jewish people are devilish conspirators to the genocide of the White Race, you can't really call him a Neo Nazi or even a white supremacist.
I don't know that anyone called him that, rather that he supports or enables those things, which is also terrible. Fuck Nazis, but fuck people who support them too just as hard.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,418
Until he starts marching through Charlottesville with Tiki Torches and claiming that Jewish people are devilish conspirators to the genocide of the White Race, you can't really call him a Neo Nazi or even a white supremacist.
He would still be a nazi-enabler. One does not need to be a nazi to contribute to the nazi cause. Simply being an enabler is enough. And boogie1488 is definitely such an enabler.
 
I'm not joking. Is he just some Youtuber? Has he produced a game or done any actual journalism?
Ya hes just some Youtuber. He just talked about games and did that stupid Francis skit. I thought he was an alright dude until the whole Gamergate thing happened and he showed his ass. Now hes all about puking his personal beliefs all over everyone who will listen to him.
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,563
No, not always, I've seen a lot of bans for the most ridiculous reasons, I mean, there's is a reason of why almost all the internet thinks that this place is toxic and the reason is not always that they're nazis or alt right, hell, I'm from Chile and all the gaming circles I know barely tolerate this place.
All of the Internet thinks this place is toxic? What do they think of the other video game centric forums, pure hell fire?
 

L Thammy

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Oct 25, 2017
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i just wish we could all ignore the politics in here, he might have said stupid things in the past but that's just his opinion and you know people have all sort of different opinions!
You might want to put a /s tag in case people misread this. Er, I hope that's what you want.
 
Oct 25, 2017
28,449
No, I just never saw that you replied.

I dunno man. Interpretation isn’t really about proof. It seems to me that you are taking the most blunt least charitable interpretation as possible in both clips that you’ve shown me. I tried giving you an explanation of how I took his statements in the context of their entirety.

Again, I think he is ignorant and his political philosophy is severely flawed and ultimately very naive, but it’s also clear to me that he is well intentioned. The insistence that he is some sinister evil bastard by some people on this board is disturbingly out of touch. He is most of your parents.
Not many of our parents threaten to kill themselves over being criticized and because you're not being nice enough to a misogynistic hate movement.
 
Oct 30, 2017
757
You can do a ton of harm even if you aren't marching with tiki torches yelling racial slurs.

Let me quote MLK on this

First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,622
No, not always, I've seen a lot of bans for the most ridiculous reasons, I mean, there's is a reason of why almost all the internet thinks that this place is toxic and the reason is not always that they're nazis or alt right, hell, I'm from Chile and all the gaming circles I know barely tolerate this place.
Uhh I don't think most mainstream places know this as anything but a great source of video game news.

Beyond that a video game site for folks whose beliefs tend to align left of center. Toxic and can't tolerate? Sure, if all you do is hang out on 4chan and r/thedonald
 

Budi

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Oct 25, 2017
6,559
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It needs to be political. If his entire goal is for gaming to get the prestige that film does, look to the hollywood award shows. Those people are bashing nazis, the administration, etc left and right. Racist homophobic gamers be damned
I adressed Hollywood in earlier post, I'll just quote it here. But Hollywood really isn't better than this. Could be said it's worse, Boogie just runs his mouth.
While Kimmel was hosting Oscars, he just made jokes about Mel Gibson "There's only one Braveheart in the room and he isn't going to unite us either". And in Golden Globes Seth Meyers "The Deuce is a show about Time's Square in the early 70's, when New York was so seedy there were two James Franco's". So they acknowledge the stuff, invite these people to the shows and then laugh it off. Or hell, Sean Spicer invited to the Emmy's and cracking jokes.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,622
I adressed Hollywood in earlier post, I'll just quote it here. But Hollywood really isn't better than this.
That's fair, Hollywood isn't a monolith. But a lot of those awards shows also have folks going up there calling shit out and rightfully so, and talking about social justice issues.
 

Atomic Playboy

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Oct 27, 2017
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Portland, OR
I might be throwing myself into the fire. But i'm taking a chance on 1 small topic seem to be throwing around in this thread.
It's seem that if I state, that the holocaust, while one of the most horrible thing to every happen in the last 100 years, actually had some benefits. I'm instantly branded a Nazi.


The medical improvement cause by this horrible event is some of the biggest foundation in the medical field, specially in cancer research. War time tend to speed all kind of advancement in all kind of fields no matter how horrible the methods are use. All in the attempt to get ''ahead'' of the enemy.
This 2004 article on The Guardian really explains what i'm trying to say : https://www.theguardian.com/news/2004/oct/14/thisweekssciencequestions.cancer
We can never forget to keep our humanity and ethics for the progress of science, unlike the nazi did.


But now back on Boogie, yeah's he's an idiot, homophobic asshole.
There's a distinction between "doctors in Nazi Germany" and "Nazi doctors during the Holocaust." Your link specifies that it is looking at advances in medicine that came out of Nazi Germany during the 1920s and 1930s; the Holocaust didn't begin until 1941. The only thing that article mentions about Nazi medicine during the Holocaust is contemplating the question "How could science be co-opted in such a way that doctors as healers evolved into killers and medical research became torture?" So that article doesn't support the thesis that the Holocaust "had some benefits."
 
Oct 27, 2017
6,457
i just wish we could all ignore the politics in here, he might have said stupid things in the past but that's just his opinion and you know people have all sort of different opinions!
I'm sure that women and minorities would LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to just ignore the politics of daily life. But sadly, they can't. And I'm not a piece of shit. Wake the fuck up, bud.
 
Welp. Now I'm glad that I chose not to go.

i just wish we could all ignore the politics in here, he might have said stupid things in the past but that's just his opinion and you know people have all sort of different opinions!
His opinions:

- Heather Heyer's death was caused by Anita Sarkeesian.
- Gays have too many rights.
- Bigotry is just another internet personality.
- You can say whatever you want as long as you don't kill anyone.
- We should meet Nazis in the middle.
 
Dec 5, 2018
648
Don't forget Sean Spicer was invited to the emmys. Don't rely on self congratulatory award shows to be some beacon of progressivism
 
Oct 25, 2017
10,743
No, not always, I've seen a lot of bans for the most ridiculous reasons, I mean, there's is a reason of why almost all the internet thinks that this place is toxic and the reason is not always that they're nazis or alt right, hell, I'm from Chile and all the gaming circles I know barely tolerate this place.
Are you just building up to “they ban people just for asking questions” thing so we can all know where you’re coming from, or...
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,635
Dude I browse everyday. I moved over from gaf when everything got stupid.

Stop trying to discredit members of this community if they simply disagree with you. I don't like boogie but simply put some of the comments here mirror comments I would read on extreme alt-right forums.
how often are you on extreme alt right forums?
 
Nov 7, 2017
6,230
To be clear, I'm not defending him. Everything that he's being criticized for is entirely warranted. I simply feel that the shit-flinging and intensely over-emotional reactions are entirely unproductive to actually convincing anybody -- or even HIM -- that he's done or said something wrong.
I mean, there is no nice way to say someone who has abhorrent opinions that they are a shit human being.
 
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