Going back to this, notice how Vere points specifically at Launch as the alternative when trying to move Natiko's vote.
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Super Mario Mafia |OT| What Doesn't Kill You Makes You Smaller
- Thread starter Fanto
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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
Z-Beat (2 votes)
Natiko - #857
jman1954goat - #941
CoolestSpot (2 votes)
Z-Beat - #901
CoolestSpot - #952
Verelios (1 votes)
Brazil - #999
Not voting: LaunchpadMcQ, Verelios
Post Counts:
jman1954goat: 30 Z-Beat: 26 CoolestSpot: 26 Natiko: 23 LaunchpadMcQ: 15 Verelios: 15 Brazil: 12
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Z-Beat (2 votes)
Natiko - #857
jman1954goat - #941
CoolestSpot (2 votes)
Z-Beat - #901
CoolestSpot - #952
Verelios (1 votes)
Brazil - #999
Not voting: LaunchpadMcQ, Verelios
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jman1954goat: 30 Z-Beat: 26 CoolestSpot: 26 Natiko: 23 LaunchpadMcQ: 15 Verelios: 15 Brazil: 12
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Vere's been one of my top town reads since pretty early on, even with some differences of opinion here and there we've mostly been of similar thought and when I see someone going through the same thought process I have it's usually a good indicator. We've basically mind melded so I'm not really sold.
One of the pieces of your argument is Vere's day end yesterday and pushing for Launch. In a vacuum I could see that looking off, but what your argument and Z-Beat's earlier miss is the conversation swirled around the idea of making someone cast the deciding vote and for whatever reason that fell to me. Yes, Vere could have moved but so could literally everyone else. You cast a reasonless vote just to put me on the spot, so it's kinda laughable to then cast dispersions on someone else over not moving as well.
Why does Vere pushing for Launch mean anything when the alternative was Uzzy, now confirmed Town? I had made it clear I wasn't going to cause a three way tie so Vere has literally nothing to worry about in that situation. How does pushing for Launch over Uzzy implicate him in a Coolest/Vere team?
I was just working off of the four people you listed as your scum leans. Who do you Town read
What's kinda laughable is you thinking that was about you when I gave you no indication of that.
Uh you literally responded and voted in response to Maol saying to force me to choose.
If anyone made a move to save Coolest it would be you forcing the tie between Uzzy and Launch instead of Coolest and Launch.
I made a move in response to Maol being the second person telling others to move their vote a certain way, after jman. In fact, you moving was the most boring outcome possible in that situation.
Feel free to go down that line, it's your funeral.
I would go down that line... if I thought Coolest was scum. But I don't, thus you and everyone else were probably just deciding between townies. My vote is already on who I think needs to go.
Natiko your saying all the right things my scum read on you is getting weaker you better not be playing us.
My final vote is almost certain to land on coolestspot or Z-beat unless something crazy happens. But these two Brazil posts are concerning.
My final vote is almost certain to land on coolestspot or Z-beat unless something crazy happens. But these two Brazil posts are concerning.
you really don't know how many players are in the game? Yet your confident in the size of the mafia team?
This a math class now? Who gives a shit
I'm off to bed, do what you will
There is clearly outside factors that are exhausting brazil which make his questionable playstyle and forgetting the numbers off. Maybe we can back off him a bit.
I editorialized hard? Here are your preceding D1 posts
You're trying to tell me that this doesn't seem like you're scum reading Nat? Not to mention your Alexem vote was pretty much fluff tier, Nat and Fran were basically the only actual reads you gave before slipping into the ether. I gave you the benefit of the doubt when you said I didn't know your read list, because that's true. Look up there and tell me though that based on what you said, your reads weren't what it seems.
I didn't want a launch vote because I saw him as town, just as said previously, I've repeatedly said I wanted Uzzy who I stuck with. What I did say is that if Uzzy and Coolest wanted to go for Launch then trying to force Nat's hand to vote there is bullshit. They(whoever wanted to move to launch) should take responsibility in that case. If their vote didn't go through then we would probably have 1/3 of the roster harping on the same shit tomorrow, which made me too tired to deal with that shit.
What I'm going to say now is, if you felt so strongly then why didn't you keep your your vote on Coolest, instead of switching to Uzzy at first light? Your reasoning is that you were convinced on Uzzy's train but you came into D2 with a post thay seemed like you were going to vote for Coolest, with the explanation that Coolest seemed to know the D1 wagons were T/T...but then you just didn't. Reminder that you haven't talked about Uzzy before, almost at all, whereas the majority of your content was spent on Coolest.
You literally start to backpedal on Coolest's vote very close to EOD because of things you already knew.
There's a very big difference between saying let's talk about the other two options on the table, and asking who they're wary of from the people that scumread him and that he scum reads in turn.
Read the exchange, you can vote for a wagon while also going after your other reads, which is exactly what I said. Nowhere did I dissuade from a Coolest vote.
Well, that's simply not true. Since we can all read it I'm going to assume you were mistaken but Uzzy doesn't mention that, and furthermore, I didn't create the leading wagons.
If you think this is mylo Brazil, and you're this sloppy with an ISO made after playing three days together then I don't know what to say. There are a lot of legitimate criticisms that I feel can be leveled at me, my reluctance to vote for one, that you never get around to talking about. Your main point boils down to an argument used by many people over the game which is Coolest protection. Not to mention how ridiculous that is, not only have I been consistent on Coolest being erratic since D1 and therefore not helpful in building threads, if you believe this is mylo and that someone is protecting a player, why would you not go for the player. That's the kind of dissonance I'm talking about. It's a point that's obvious and yet you don't seem to care at all.
Do you really scum read Coolest or is this pretense?
Rather than responding line by line to what's happened since last night, I'm going to summarize my thoughts on today.
Right now, my feeling is that Verelios and Natiko are definitely town (or the most wily scum I've seen); I think they are playing their reads and following through. I've felt that way since pretty early on.
I agree with something Natiko said earlier, I think CoolestSpot would be getting bussed hard if he were scum. There's no way not to see that. I don't think that's definitive proof of anything, but the layout of this game right now makes it feel like there's just been absolutely nothing holding Coolest back from the edge. If we're right that there are two scum, I think there's no way a second scum, even Coolest, would get bussed that way. I would look elsewhere for today, and as Verelios pointed out, if we hit scum today, we can always lynch Coolest if he gets problematic again (though he has cooled down and seems to be trying to do better).
That brings us to Z-Beat, Jman, and Brazil. I feel like these three having been acting the scummiest coming out of D2. The interactions late yesterday and today have highlighted that for me:
VOTE: Z-Beat
This is where my vote is going right now.
Right now, my feeling is that Verelios and Natiko are definitely town (or the most wily scum I've seen); I think they are playing their reads and following through. I've felt that way since pretty early on.
I agree with something Natiko said earlier, I think CoolestSpot would be getting bussed hard if he were scum. There's no way not to see that. I don't think that's definitive proof of anything, but the layout of this game right now makes it feel like there's just been absolutely nothing holding Coolest back from the edge. If we're right that there are two scum, I think there's no way a second scum, even Coolest, would get bussed that way. I would look elsewhere for today, and as Verelios pointed out, if we hit scum today, we can always lynch Coolest if he gets problematic again (though he has cooled down and seems to be trying to do better).
That brings us to Z-Beat, Jman, and Brazil. I feel like these three having been acting the scummiest coming out of D2. The interactions late yesterday and today have highlighted that for me:
- Z-Beat - I pressed Z-Beat on his vote yesterday, others have pressed him over the last few days, and he will not concede that Coolest is a bad choice. I've seen scum tunnel in like this before to try to build that thickheaded town cred and it's raising a lot of flags now. Given his increase in activity D3, lack of any other viable reads (other than those seemingly aped from Jman), and pretty much never saying anything that isn't topped with three layers of crypticness, I'm putting my vote here today. I agree with a lot of the suspicions Natiko raised D1, as well.
- Jman - Jman seems to be chasing every squirrel that passes by. Pressing Natiko today while throwing suspicion at Brazil then moving on to Coolest. I'm not a fan of how he played out day end yesterday, trying to goad Natiko to vote and break the tie rather than doing it himself. It reeks of trying to skirt responsibility for whatever the outcome is.
- Brazil - The Uzzy vote at near the last minute with no real explanation beforehand is really out of place. Brazil has been playing a more reserved game, with only spurts of activity, so this obviously raised some flags. Then coming in today to address some of Verelios behavior without much solid reasoning behind it. I've been really not happy with Brazil's play this game, and it's even more suspicious I think that he is townreading me after soft-peddling a lot of suspicion towards me late in the day yesterday.
VOTE: Z-Beat
This is where my vote is going right now.
Actually, the whole situation where most folks yesterday were like "yep Launch and Uzzy are the trains today", then everyone suddenly town reading me after Natiko started off today saying "naw Launch is town" absolutely reeks. Coolest is guilty of this, as well as those bottom three folks.
I see I didn't miss too much during the night.
CoolestSpot So you're really riding this self vote to the end huh?
CoolestSpot So you're really riding this self vote to the end huh?
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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
Z-Beat (2 votes)
Natiko - #857
jman1954goat - #941 #1,013
LaunchpadMcQ - #1,017
CoolestSpot (2 votes)
Z-Beat - #901
CoolestSpot - #952
Verelios (1 votes)
Brazil - #999
Brazil (1 votes)
jman1954goat - #1,013
Not voting: Verelios
Post Counts:
jman1954goat: 33 Z-Beat: 28 CoolestSpot: 27 Natiko: 27 LaunchpadMcQ: 17 Brazil: 16 Verelios: 16
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Day Start
Z-Beat (2 votes)
Natiko - #857
LaunchpadMcQ - #1,017
CoolestSpot (2 votes)
Z-Beat - #901
CoolestSpot - #952
Verelios (1 votes)
Brazil - #999
Brazil (1 votes)
jman1954goat - #1,013
Not voting: Verelios
Post Counts:
jman1954goat: 33 Z-Beat: 28 CoolestSpot: 27 Natiko: 27 LaunchpadMcQ: 17 Brazil: 16 Verelios: 16
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If there are three scum I believe coolest would get bused for easy town points. If this is a two person scum team I think you never bus coolest no matter what he does. If today is a mislynch we are in MYLO/LYLO tomorrow ( can someone explain the difference not gonna lie I keep looking up the definition and mylo and lylo seem like the same thing to me.) scum would absolutely take the chance at being 3/2 tomorrow keeping coolest instead of going 4/1 (extending the game an extra day.)
In a mylo situation you can choose to abstain from lunching so that you have a better shot tomorrow. Think of a 5 town/3 scum scenario. If you mislunch then scum Nks, they win with 3 town/3 scum, but if you don't lunch, it ends up 4 town/3 scum even with the NK. Lylo means that if you mislunch, it's over. For example, if we ML today and tomorrow with a 2 scum team, then that's 5 town/2 scum-> 3 town/2 scum, we lose. We're in a lylo situation where we cannot afford to abstain from voting and must not mislunch.
LYLO means you HAVE to vote scum out correctly to not lose. MYLO means you have to not vote town out to not lose. Essentially the difference is in MYLO you can no vote and the game won't end, but in LYLO that option is removed.
I see I worded that thought poorly. I meant that Coolest has been getting too close to getting lynched too many times at this point with no cover. There has been a strong effort to get Coolest lynched in this game. If Z-Beat or someone else has been driving the Coolest trains, it would not be because scum is trying to bus him; the argument is that he's just an easy town target for scum because his scummate would not bus him in a 2 player team, they would take the conversation away from a Coolest lynch.
This is a weird transition that I'm only noticing now. Jman opens up the day asking if we're in mylo (we go over that it's not) and then Brazil starts the day seemingly thinking that it's mylo too, until we go through the same conversation again. Now, the only thing confusing me is that by any metric, town or scum, Brazil should know it's not mylo, while Jman is more understandable being newer.
But was the idea that it's mylo so prevalent yesterday? I even made a chart of where we were currently.
What kind of player would i be if I didn't follow up on my reads. If i see a squirrel that looks suspicious i am gonna follow it and not tunnel vision on only one person. If your right and the first person you suspect/vote is scum great you did it. If you are wrong and never question anyone else scum escape the day not only avoiding the lynch vote but also never facing even a little pressure during the day.
Forcing a tie is just how I play mafia this was a stunt I pulled during day 1 Neir mafia
I Intentionally unvoted with one hour left acting like I was not coming back creating a tie in the process to study peoples reactions. then with 15 minutes left placed my vote.
Voting is our most powerful tool in the game People can lie all game but seeing where they put there vote in a important high stress situation is valuable.
Oh yeah. I want to back off Brazil today cause I really was reading him in a way that may be him being flustered by outside life factors.
I know this reads as me voting for guy gunning for me but
Vote: Z-Beat
UNDERSTAND
UNDERSTAND
Brazil is clearly does not have his heart or head fully in the game.
I also don't wanna be to hard on him if real life stuff is getting in the way so I feel bad for pressing him to hard. on the other hand there's a chance he is scum real life interfering or not.
Dude
Are you for real
How about any reads to everybody else before you might get voted out
No I agree, and if zbeat flips scum I'm going after brazil after what screams like zbeat doing the scum distancing from town from slightly attacking them or bringing eyes to them so they wont be connected.
WHAT?????????????? HE DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIMSELF I AM SHOCKED!!!!!!!!!!!
MAYBE HE ACCIDENTALLY VOTED FOR SOMEONE ELSE HERE BUDDY I WILL HELP YOU
VOTE:Coolestspot
this is sarcasm for anyone who could not tell why did you guys get baited by his self vote it is obvious he would not end the day with a vote on himself.
I gave you a reads list. Are this point a large list wont help because there are only a few people left. You're either sure in your convictions or it's a lost cause
Baby all I ever been is a lost cause rolling in the wind of murders around me
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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
Z-Beat (3 votes)
Natiko - #857
jman1954goat - #941 #1,013
LaunchpadMcQ - #1,017
CoolestSpot - #1,028
CoolestSpot (2 votes)
Z-Beat - #901
CoolestSpot - #952 #1,028
jman1954goat - #1,034
Verelios (1 votes)
Brazil - #999
Brazil (0 votes)
jman1954goat - #1,013 #1,034
Not voting: Verelios
Post Counts:
jman1954goat: 37 CoolestSpot: 32 Z-Beat: 31 Natiko: 29 LaunchpadMcQ: 18 Verelios: 18 Brazil: 16
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Day Start
Z-Beat (3 votes)
Natiko - #857
LaunchpadMcQ - #1,017
CoolestSpot - #1,028
CoolestSpot (2 votes)
Z-Beat - #901
jman1954goat - #1,034
Verelios (1 votes)
Brazil - #999
Brazil (0 votes)
Not voting: Verelios
Post Counts:
jman1954goat: 37 CoolestSpot: 32 Z-Beat: 31 Natiko: 29 LaunchpadMcQ: 18 Verelios: 18 Brazil: 16
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Majority is 4 and Z-beat has 3 so be careful not to end the day early even if you want Z-beat gone.
Thanks for loving your votes. We need to fully talk today out cause of the lylo we cant lye low
UNVOTE
Imagine I am still voting for Z-Beat in spirit for right now.
Imagine I am still voting for Z-Beat in spirit for right now.
I'm not really sold on that. You weren't just watching how people reacted; you were telling a specific person to close the vote out.
All this posturing will go a long way for you tomorrow, I'm sure. That and not hammering Z-Beat when you had the chance.
I am confused at what you are even implying. all i am doing is giving us three extra hours to talk
Brazil needs to give us more. I know he can be busy and life happens, but there have been a lot of low posters who only posted a few times per day yet offered something substantial to compensate. The problem isn't with the posting frequency seeing as I've never had one with LP, it's with the quality.
Brazil has at least tried to make a case today, so he's shown up more than he did in previous phases. I think he's just flat out wrong, but it's a start at least.
Nope, my thoughts are still pretty solid, though I do think the option to bus me after stating it'd be insane to bus coolest is odd
This is a fair point, Brazil did make a case today.
Bus? Are we thinking of the same term?